Re: [World] Membership question in Denver incident

Answer this! What if a "bad apple" does become a member and then with all the trainings that the IWCA does offer becomes a "good apple".

I don't feel the organization in itself is responsible for the companies that are members.
The IWCA is here to help and teach with safety and other window cleaning tasks. If you are not going to use their insite and expertise, then you wouldn't be paying membership.

Audra Thompson

Landers Window & Exterior Cleaning Inc.

Manager, Oklahoma

From: "Geoff Shaule" <addressis@removed>
Reply-To: addressis@removed
To: <addressis@removed>
Subject: Re: [World] Membership question in Denver incident
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:16:21 -0500

Keen makes a point

But I don't think the IWCA has ever claimed to screen any member or provide any assurance that a company will work safely. They do claim to provide safety training, which they do. But it is near impossible for the IWCA in it's current form to provide any kind of screening or testing for safety or criminal background.

So it is probably true that the IWCA membership probably embodies people with a criminal past and companies that have records of not working safe.

Personally I never looked to IWCA to give me clean criminal record or safety credibility. I always try to put that image out there with my company's marketing.

I have never done much commercial work, it could be different over there on the dark side !

Geoffrey D. Shaule
G&S Window Washing Inc.
Birmingham, MI

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Kopchick

To: addressis@removed

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:41 AM

Subject: RE: [World] Membership question in Denver incident

Well, I think that the IWCA and MWCoA and any other affiliation that gives their stamp of approval to a window cleaning companies should at least have some background check on the organization before they are allowed to join.

I don't want to see someone join the organization who is a known "bad apple". That would destroy any credibility of the IWCA or MWCoA "seal of approval". Before I could join BNI I had to submit references. Paypal has a "verified"seal of approval they offer after so many transactions. ServiceMagic offers their "certified seal" after a year and a number of good references received.

If we are trying to promote the associations as seals of approval, and we want the homeowners to trust in that, then care must be taken into who is allowed to join. It can't just be a financial test. A person's ability to pay $50 or $250 shouldn't be the only requirement. What backlash would the organization face if a known criminal joined the group, and then the homeowner had an incident with the window cleaner, especially if the homeowner relied on the membership affiliation.

There needs to be more active review of the members activity during the year, and the candidates background.

Ken Kopchick

Summit Window Cleaning

Clinton Township, MI

Gary Mauer <addressis@removed> wrote:

>>>I have a lot of questions. -- Ken Kopchick<<<

Got any opinions to offer?

Thanks,

Gary Mauer
Since 1996 - the Window Cleaning Network
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin, USA
www.window-cleaning.net

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